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be much discouraged, because he CORRESPONDENCE. cannot, in his district, impress the

| J. G. LEE AND THE MAINTENANCE minds of his fellows with the import

OF PASTORS. ance of religion, and the necessity of unqualified submission to the divine

ONE of the main pillars in the sectarian will. The soil in which he labours

| temple is the payment of pastors; and it is

with no little regret that we find brethren may be, from various causes, sterile. leaning to this practice in several quarters. Such a condition is discouraging. The The remarks of J. G. Lee, in your last, husbandman would be discouraged if(page 118) demand some attention, and with he found no fruit to gather home in

your permission, we shall submit a few words

to your readers. That the elder who may rethe proper season. But if his neigh

quire pecuniary assistance has less right to rebour's fields brought forth plentifully, ceive it than any other brother or sister, is not so that he had enough and to spare, what we intend to assert. We only deny that the unfortunate husbandman would he has any greater or other right to receive it,

as a consequence of his being a pastor. Your be relieved from fear of starvation.

correspondent, with much confidence, thus The nation threatened with dearth

writes--“ So, then, by the law of God, elders must rejoice to know that a neigh-| and evangelists are entitled to pecuniary supbouring nation has prospect of abun- port from the congregation.” Casting his eye dance for its own use and that of the

over this declaration, the reader would certainly

conclude that preceding it were a number of less fortunate.

close arguments, and a mighty array of ScripJacob was in heaviness when ex ture, amply sufficient to convince the man who posed to the severity of a famine ; but dares to say, “ God never gave such a law.” no sooner did intelligence reach him How great, however, will be his disappointthat corn was to be had in Egypt,

meat upon finding only one word presented as

the mighty rock upon which this law of heaven than his spirit reviveş. rie expostu rests. 1 Tim. v. 7, is quoted, and J. G. Lee lates with his sons, saying, “ Get ye thus presents his argument---“ Let the elders down thither and buy for us, that we that rule well be counted worthy of DOUBLE may live and not die,” (Gen. xlii. 1 | HONOUR

| HONOUR.” “ Misthos, the word here tran

: slated as honour, properly rendered, signifies and 2.) In like manner is the spirit

recompense or reward, wages or pay; it never of a spiritual labourer cheered, who means honour. * * Now as the elders who may himself have cause to lament rule well are to be counted worthy of double that but little fruit attends his labors, pay, it is evident that the other elders must when he hears through the medium

have had some pay.” Such are the statements

" and logic of J. G. L. We declare them unsound of his periodical, of the success at- | for the following reasons :tending other labourers in the good l. They make the apostle promise as a re. cause. His spirit is thus revived ward to the Christian elder for ruling well, a when he thus contemplates that the

double salary. This may do for the kingdom

of Mammon, but not for that of Christ. The garden of the Lord is not becoming a very idea is contemptible. DOUBLE PAY-exwilderness. Thus is he encouraged tra money for ruling well in a Christian church! to proceed in his apparently unre It out-Herods State Churchism. warded labour of love, rejoicing in

2. The import of the apostle's words is clear.

The simple meaning on the word translated that which is being accomplished by

HONOUR IS VALUE; and the command given by others. The knowledge he thus re

Paul was, in substance, none other than this. ceives is power. It is to the interest | Let the brethren set a higH VALUE on the of the brethren of the Reformation to elders that rule well. But no paraphrase can support their religious periodicals,

be superior to what the same apostle furnishes

us with when writing on the same subject to seeing the advantage to be derived

another church, “And we beseech you, brethfrom them, considering the spiritual ren, to know them which labour a knowledge they disseminate, and and are over you in the Lord, and admonish knowing that no other knowledge you, to ESTEEM THEM VERY HIGHLY in love, can effectually eradicate the evils

for their work's sake,” 1. Thes. v. 12.

3. J. G. L. evidently does not understand which oppress the human family, tban the subject, and so far from being able to corthe knowledge of God. G. S. rect our translators, he does not know what the Greek word rendered HONOUR really is. He these passages, that every man who may be says, “ The word Mistros here (1 Tim. v. 17) chosen pastor, president, elder, or bishop, in a translated honour, properly rendered, signifies congregation of disciples, is to be supported recompense or reward, wages or pay. It never and kept as a gentleman out of the hard earnsignifies honour.” Now the simple truth is, ings of the poor, or even by the misdirected the word rendered honour is not Mistros, nor liberality of the rich, much less by the pay of anything like it, but TIMEE, which word occurs a state church. The prophets, the apostles, frequently in the New Testament, either as a the Son of God, would alike unite in spurning substantive, verb, or participle; but in no case such an idea, as originating from the self-imis it translated wages, salary, or maintenance, portance, pride, idleness, and covetousness of or by any synonymous word. Nor has there man. “ Put me, I pray thee, into the office ever been adduced an instance of any Greek of priest, that I may eat a morsel of bread.” Ed.] author having so used it.

When the writer of “ Questions of the Present Age” shall have given you some better QUERIES AND REPLIES. and more truthful arguments in support of paying elders, or when you shall have received

In reply to the Query on the cover of the them from some other pen, you may hear from

last number of the BRITISH MILLENNIAL us again. We affirm that no divine law exists

HARBINGER — In what sense is baptism said for supplying a salary or a maintenance to

to be for the remission of sins ? (A Baptist) the elders, and that the New Testament contains following is presented: neither precept nor example to favor it.

The difficulty to the inquirer that is in these DAVID KING.

plain words of Peter, spoken by inspiration of

God, in reply to a very urgent question by a [NOTE.--It is not for us, of course, to de- very earnest people, under great excitement cide the point at issue between Brother Lee and alarm, being convicted of the guilt of innoand Brother King, and other brethren who cent blood, even of Him now proved to be both have written to us on the subject. We leave Lord and Messiah, must arise, we conceive, the decision with those of our readers who, by from the seeming incompatibility of attributing long and diligent study of the Greek language, I remission of sins to immersion as much as to have rendered themselves competent to such a the blood of Christ, the" Lamb of God, that work. We may, however, remark, that not taketh away the sin of the world.” And as one of our translators has, either in the text or Jesus himself said of the cur, when instituting marginal reading, given the word VALUE, or the ordinance of the supper, “ This is my blood the words HIGH VALUE, in the place of double of the new institution, which is shed for many honour, in Tim. v.7. Nor, in our opinion, for the remission of sins” (Mat. xxvi. 28.) would the connection admit of that construc- How, then, can remission of sins be attributed tion. It may be regarded as a good rule for to both ? And as the attributing of remission our guidance, that when a word is so tran- to immersion is thought to derogate from the slated as not to render the connection in which blood of the Son of God, the idea is repudiated it stands common sense, the word is incorrectly altogether by many serious people; and another applied. The apostle, in this chapter, is giving meaning is sought for the expression, as it ocdirections to Timothy how to regulate his con- curs in Acts ii. 38, to reconcile it with the duct while labouring in the church at Ephesus, words of the Saviour now referred to. In and, we suppose, in all other churches. No order, then, to show their perfect agreement, brother or sister reading this chapter, especially and how they explain and illustrate each other, in the new translation, can fail to understand we remark, that when the blood of Jesus Christ the meaning of the apostle. Honour widows was shed, and when he had made himself an who are really widows; but if any widow have offering for sin, there was no remission of sins children or grandchildren, let these learn first AT THAT TIME, BY THAT Act. He was then piously to take care of their own family, and | making “reconciliation for iniquity"-offering then to requite their parents; for this is good himself an expiatory sacrifice to take away the and acceptable in the sight of God. If any sin of the world; laying a ground, it is true, believing man or woman have widows, let them for the remission of sins, in consistency with relieve them, and let not the congregation be the justice of God; but this was not HIS ACT burdened, that it may relieve those who are OF REMITTING SIN. The act of Jesus dying really widows. Let the elders who preside for us, and the act of remitting sin, are separate well be counted worthy of double honour, (es. and distinct. The one was absolutely necesteem and support) especially those who .(beside sary to the other. The death of the Son of presiding well) labour in word and doctrine. God was essentially necessary in order to the For the Scripture says, Thou shalt not muzzle remission of sins; but not to be identified or the ox treading out corn; and the labourer is confounded with it---preparatory, but not the worthy of his wages. Surely a double office, same. Some, indeed, have affirmed, that when that of president and evangelist, is worthy of Jesus died, all the sin of all men was pardoned, double honour! We are not to conclude from even of those not yet born, and of sin not yet committed ; and who call the gospel, THE GOS- | and buried with him in immersion-risen with PEL OF PARDON, addressing all men as if their him to walk in a new life: and thus passes sins WERE ALREADY forgiven. But this is not from death into a state of justification of lifethe way the apostles spoke. They said, “ Re | there and then. After this manner the blood form, and turn to God, THAT YOUR SINS MAY | of atonement is applied with saving efficacy to BE BLOTTED OUT;" or, as in the words under the condemned. And as in the case of the ordiconsideration, “ Reform, and be each of you im- nance of the red heifer, the water of separation mersed in the name of Jesus Christ, IN ORDER derived all its virtue from the spotless unblemTO THE REMISSION OF SINS.” And instead of ished animal, so, in like manner, the efficacy these expressions derogating from the blood of that is in the water to cleanse from sin, is all Christ, they only show how the blood is to be derived from the blood of the spotless Lamb of applied for remission, and its saving efficacy God, which, by the appointment of Heaven, is realized. The case may be illustrated by refe- | transferred to it. So that had Christ not died, rence to the law, and the ordinance of the red there had been NO ATONEMENT for sin - no heifer, Num. xix. The children of Israel were atonement, there could have been NO GLAD TIcommanded to bring a red heifer, without spot, DINGS to publish, AND NO ORDINANCE WHATwherein was no blemish, and upon which never EVER COULD HAVE BEEN APPOINTED TO GIVE came yoke, to the priest ; and one was to slay | ASSURANCE OF THE REMISSION OF SINS. But her before his face : the priest was then to take as the reverse of this is true, and as Christ has of her blood, and with his finger sprinkle of her died for our sins according to the Scriptures, blood directly before the tabernacle of the con been buried, and risen again according to the gregation seven times. And one was to buru Scriptures, what a gracious institution is that the heifer in his sight; her skin, and her flesh, of immersion for remission, which at once deand her blood, with her dung, shall he burn. termines the amonnt of faith requisite, settles And after being burnt to ashes, a clean person the manner, and puts the obedient and penitent was to gather up the ashes of the heifer, and believer in the ACTUAL POSSESSION of the lay them up without the camp, in a clean place, blessing, and the blessedness of the forgiveness to be kept for the congregation; to form, being of all his sin; and, by the same act, at the same mixed with water, a water of separation, for it time, gives him the adoption of a child into the is a purification for sin. Then the cases of defile- family of God, and makes him an heir of an ment are described, to which this water of separa | everlasting inheritance ! tion was to be applied; and though the defilement contracted was only that of a bodily kind-by

The same sentiment as the foregoing, is excoming in contact with a dead body, a bone, or

hibited in the following verses : a grave-yet unless the defilea person was pu

There is a fountain filled with blood, rified with the water of separation, after the

Poured from Immanuel's veins, manner prescribed, such persons REMAINED IN

And sinners plunged beneath that flood, THEIR UNCLEANNESS, defiled the tabernacle of the Lord, and were to be cut off from Israel.

Lose all their guilty stains. Now, any one may see at a glance, that the

That fountain opened once for sin, process of preparation of this water of separa Exhaustless still remains, tion—and, as it is called, “ purification for sin” And by an ordinance divine, -is one thing, and the application of it to the Extension wide obtains. persons defiled, is another. No one was puri Where'er God's testimony goes, fied by the process of preparation, nor even by Through all the world abroad; the ashes as they lay in the clean place without Where faith is found, and water flows, the camp, but only by the application of the

There also is the blood. water of separation, after the prescribed manner to the persons defiled. Even so when

For when in water plunged are we,

As Jesus did command;
Christ was offered as a sacrifice without spot to
God, and his blood shed for the remission of

From our old sins we're then set free, sins, no one's sins were remitted by this act,

And 'mong the saved stand. and at the same time. It is only by the appli. Then, who will bring us to the blood ? cation of the blood to the sinner after the man-- None need despairing say, ner prescribed, that remission of sins is obtain For, lo ! 'tis near, that all who would, ed, which is on this wise -- Christ having be Might wash their sins away. come a propitiation for the sins of the whole

0, wondrous love, that for man's sake world, and all that he has done and suffered

The Son of God should die, being set forth in the divine testimony concern

And thus his blood a laver make, ing him, avd the whole world being concluded guilty before God, the glad tidings are pro

To wash us clean thereby. claimed by the commandment of the everlast That washed and sanctified, we may, ing God, and our Saviour Jesus Christ, to the In God's house have a place, whole creation, he that believeth and is bapt zed, And there mature for that bright day, is saved-washed from sin ---dead with Christ When we shall see his face.

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ANOTHER REPLY.--Where there is a guilty supped, saying, This cup is the new testament conscience there is an impure heart: so teaches in my blood; this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, Paul. To the unbelieving there is nothing in remembrance of me: for as oft as you eat pure, for even their mind and conscience are this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the defiled. In such a heart the Holy Spirit can- Lord's death till he come.” . And now I am not dwell. When God symbolically dwelt in led to say, in closing, that nowhere in the New the camp of Israel, every speck of filth must be Testament, does it authorise the giving of removed even from the earth's surface. Before thanks for the loaf (bread) or cup at one time, the Holy Spirit can be received, the heart must or even hint at such a thing. Therefore we be purified, guilt must be removed from the must conclude, that any church carrying out conscience; there must be a sense, a feeling, such a system, is acting contrary to the laws or an assurance that sin is pardoned and trans and example of Jesus, and following the rudi. gression covered. For obtaining this there ments of the world. must be some appointed way; and that means | Nottingham, March 6th, 1849. or way is baptism into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; so that, according to this order, it is incompatible, and therefore im- . In reply to the enquiry on the cover of the possible, that the Holy Spirit can be received, HARBINGER, for February, “What is that sin or can dwell in any heart not purged from a unto death for which the Apostle John says we guilty conscience. Hence it came to pass that are not to pray?" I beg to offer the opinion, Peter said. “ Be baptized for the remission of that it refers to the apostolic age, when diseases, your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the

directly from God, were inflicted upon those Holy Spirit," and the answer of a good con

| members of the Christian church whose conduct science toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus

merited such chastisement; not, indeed, for from the dead.

their “ destruction” (although, if impenitent Dumfries, March 12th, 1849. A. C. | under the infliction, it resulted thus) ; but for

their“edification” or reformation, (2 Cor. x. 8.)

In some cases the disease proved mortal; in In answer to the Query on the cover of the others, it was miraculously cured in answer to HARBINGER—“Ought thanks to be presented inspired prayer--the prayer of faith. for the wine as well as for the loaf ?-I con- Such as had the power of working miracles, sider that all who have become disciples of when sent for by a sick and penitent brother, Christ, have submitted their will to his will, | by an impulse of the Spirit presented “the prayer and placed themselves in the position of stu- of faith" for the removal of the sickness or dents, ever willing to learn, and ready to obey, disease which was not unto death. The inJesus himself being our exemplar, Lord, and wrought or inspired prayer availed to this end, King. In the first place, we will take the (James v. 16.) But if a Christian brother conexample of Jesus, as recorded by Matthew, tinued impenitent and unreformed under the (xxvi. 26-7) which clearly shows, that after divine chastisement, the elders would receive they had finished the Paschal supper, he took no impulse of the Spirit to ask for his recovery, bread and gave thanks, gave it to his disciples, and therefore are directed not to do so. From and they did all eat of it: after which, in the same the case of the incestuous person (1 Cor. v. 5.) manner, he took the cup, and gave thanks, and and others, it may be inferred, that those only said, drink ye all of it. In the next place, we were sins unto death which were unrepented of. turn to Mark, (xiv. 22-3) who says, Jesus took The phrase "delivered unto Satan,” (1 Cor. v. bread and blessed it, and gave it to them, 5, and 1 Tim. i. 20) may be understood of a and said, Take, eat; this is my body: shen he direct infliction of punishment and also of extook the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Drink communication from the church; for, to be ye all of it. And Luke writes the same mean- delivered back to the world, (the territory of ing, although not the same words, and says, Satan) was also called a delivery over to Satan. (xxii. 19-20) After he had given thanks for the From 2 Cor. ü. 8, it appears probable that this bread, he gave it to his disciples; and iu the person had become penitent and was restored same way he took the cup, &c. From what we to (the church of) Christ. The following see recorded in the gospels, we can only find paraphrase of 1 John v. 16-17, is perhaps, of one way in partaking of this memorializing itself, a sufficient exposition of it:-" If a “ feast.” But we will turn to Paul, and see Christian, by an impulse of the Spirit, perceives what he says, (1 Cor. xi, 23) “For I received that any Christian brother has sinned such a of the Lord that which also I delivered unto sin, as to draw down upon himself a disease you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which is not to end in death, but to be miracuwhich he was betrayed, took bread, and when lously cured by him; then let him pray to God; he had given thanks, he brake it and said, Take and God, in answer to his prayer, will grant eat, this is my body which is broken for you, life and health unto such Christians as have this do in remembrance of me: and after the sinned a sin which is not to end in death. same manner also, (as with the loaf when he There is a sin which draws down a disease upon had given thanks) he took the cup when he had 'Christians, that is to end in death. I do not

say that he who has the power of working appointment.” I They were sincere and “fermiracles shall pray for that, because God, in vent,” but not "effectual,” because uninspired. 8 such a case, would not hear his prayer, nor | They differed from that of Elijah, and from miraculously cure his Christian brother at his “the prayer of faith,” which saved the 'sick, request." The apostle speaks of some of the James v. 15–18. Those who had “the first congregation at Corinth who were either sickly, | fruits of the Spirit” (Rom. viii. 23) were dior who slept, (1 Cor. xi. 39-32.) Such as had | vinely aided in their intercessory prayers. The fallen asleep—who had died in consequence of Spirit dictated their intercessions in unutterable eating and drinking condemnation to themselves signs; and He that searcheth the heart of man, --had sinued unto death-died in impenitencc. recognized the mind of His own Spirit, making Hymeneas and Alexander, Paul “ delivered to | intercession for the saints by divine appoint the adversary, that they might be taught by ment. Now, when we offer prayer for the chastisements not to defame,” (1 Tim. i. 20) | recovery of a sick brother, we must add, “NeSee also the following passages in illustration vertheless, not as I would, but as thou wilt;" of that which speaks of the sin unto death, for we have not now the gift of faith. We &c. :-Num. xii.1, 2 Kings v. 27, John ix. 2, cannot, in such a case, offer the prayer of faith. Acts i. 10, &c. Scripture is the best interpreter | I shall probably furnish some additional of scripture; and those parts which are most thoughts on these subjects soon. In the mean transparent, will usually throw light on such as time, if any of the brethren who read this perare, at first sight, obscure.

ceive that I am in error on either of the above I have read with interest and profit the re- texts or questions, I shall be truly thankful to plies in the HARBINGER to the question, “In be corrected. what sense is faith the gift of God?” There

W. D. HARRIS. is, however, a sense, if not THE SENSE, in which it was so, which has not been referred

ANOTHER REPLY.- I am surprised you have to. I will take leave to express myself in the not received an answer to the Query-- “ What language of Whitby. In 1 Cor. xii. 9, he says, is the sin unto death for which we are not to “That by faith here, we are to understand a pray ?” There has been to much said and miraculous faith, seems highly probable from written respecting the sin against the Holy 1 Cor. xiii. 2. But chiefly I would under Spirit, that it is thought by some, that great stand by it, a peculiar impulse that came upon wisdom and learning are requisite to find out them when any difficult matter was to be per its meaning. Hence want of courage has deformed, which inwardly assured them God's | terred the brethren from sending replies on the power would assist them in the performance subject. Now although I have neither talent, of it.” In Phil. ii. 27, he says, “Epaphroditus learning, nor wisdom, of which I can boast, was not recovered by the gift of healing, that yet I have mustered courage to send you my gift being not exercised by them to whom it thoughts on this matter. John says there is a was imparted at their own pleasure, but as God sin unto death, I do not say that you shall pray for was pleased, by a special instinct and a strong it. When men or women believe the gospel, faith, to excite them to the exercise of it. repent, and are baptized, and go on their way In James v. 16. he says. “ Among the miracu- rejoicing for a few years, but afterwards, being lous gifts at first vouchsafed to preachers and wearied of the restraints of the gospel-(ought elders, was THE GIFT OF FAITH. That which I not to have said, that they are careless and is styled the faith of God* and by which they disobedient, loving the bondage of Satan rahealed the sick :” (Acts i.16, “The faith ther than the freedom wherewith Christ makes which is by him”+) "and therefore, this is his people free )-go back to the world, their here promised, that where the prayer of the last state is worse than the first. Engaged in elders was attended with such A FAITH, it gratifying the lust of the flesh, the lust of the should be successful for the healing of the sick.” eye, and the pride of life, they are again core

In conclusion, allow me to suggest that these tous and worldly-minded, drinking with the illustrations may throw light on some other drunkard, and thus grieving the Holy Spirit, passages in holy writ. I will now refer to one and defiling his temple: I Cor. iii. 17, which, only, viz. Rom. viii. 26-27. Here the prayer if a man defile, him shall God destroy, for appears to be that of the INTERCESSORY cha- the temple of God is holy, which temple ye racter. Now, the most "fervent” prayers of are. For it is impossible for those who were the most "righteous” men do not avail, in all once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly cases. See Gen. xvii. 23; Exod. xxxii. 31; gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 2 Cor. xii. 8, &c. These prayers were founded on no promise, nor were they offered “by divine

I “ According to the will of God.” Rom.

vi. 27, and 1 John v. 14, should be rendered, * See the marginal reading of Mark vi. 22.

according to Tholuck, “ BY DIVINE APPOINT

MENT.” Not faith exercised by the person healed : $ " The effectual fervent (Gr. the INSPIRED) but that which was GIVEN to PETER, at that prayer of a righteous man, &c." See Whitby, instant.

Parkhurst, &c.

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