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were constantly and faithfully obeyed. If the place in some congregations, where there were congregation of disciples of Jesus have not the good prospects of many additions from the same authority in reference to his command world, these hopes are now blasted, and the ments, precepts, and institutions, delivered to sooner such a stumbling-block is removed out them by his inspired apostles, with what pro- of the way the better. priety can it be designated “the pillar and You are requested, by more than one of the ground of the truth ?" (1 Tim. ii. 13-15.) But brethren, to give this a place in the next HARthe words of Jesus (Mat. xvii. 17-18) and Paul | BINGER. Your's for the truth's sake, (1 Cor. v. 4-5) indicate that such authority is

P. B. now in the church; not, indeed, to make laws or institute ordinances, but to see that what

REMARKS BY THE EDITOR. Jesus delivered to his apostles, and they to the

Dear Brother, -In reply to your's of the 5th world, be faithfully and rigidly obeyed by all who profess to be his. Thus Panl commanded

ult. permit me to say, that when the note to the Thessalonians to stand fast, and hold the | which you refer was inserted in the HARBINGER, traditions they had been taught, both by word the same facts were not present to our mind and in the epistle which he had sent to them. as are contained in your letter, and to which it So, also, Jesus from the throne of his glory, re

refers. This is evident, from the tenor of the cognizes such authority existing in the congregations, (Rev. ii.) reproves, and even threatens

epistle. In reading the Old and New Testasome of them for not duly exercising it for the

ments, it must be obvious that commands are honor of his divine Majesty.

given of a personal, social, and public character. Seeing, then, that the church of Jesus is in | To discriminate, then, is important. vested with authority to see that all his com When Saul, the anointed king of Israel, was mands and institutions are obeyed, how can

sent to destroy the Amalekites, the commission baptism, or any other command of Jesus, be of such a personal nature as to be left with every

was given to him alone, and not to the congrcindividual to decide as to his standing before

gation over whom he presided. As Jehovah's God ?

executive, he alone was responsible for the acMany there are who, like King Saul, con- complishment of the work commanded to be clude that they have fully obeyed the Lord, and

done ; and in this, like every other servant of that they are going on in the way of his commands, when at the same time they have neither

God, he was put upon his trial. He became confessed the faith, nor obeyed that appointed haughty, vaccillating, presumptuous, covetous, institution by which men are saved, and added and disobedient-he failed to accomplish what to His people. The congregation, then, is the will of God had directed; and consequently authorized to know that every one whom she

he proved himself unfit for the office to which receives has made the good confession of faith, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living

he had been anointed. But Saul alone, and not God; and that they have been immersed in the congregation, was responsible; and therewater into the name of the Father, of the Son, fore he only was reproved by the Prophet for his and of the Holy Spirit. For it is not he who dereliction of duty (1 Saml. xv.) It is true, thinks himself baptized, but he whom the Lord

King Saul censured the people, as Adam did Jesus by his apostles declares to be so, that is to be received by them. But when such an

Eve, Eve the serpent, and the disciples of Jesus immersion has taken place, and the party add sometimes do their brethren, when, at the same ed to the congregation, where is the scriptural time, they are themselves the guilty parties : uuthority for re-baptizing them into the "HOPE but these evasions do not destroy personal reOF ISRAEL?” This is a position which we |

sponsibility. hold to be contrary to scripture, reason, and common sense. Then look at the consequences

We agree that the apostles of Jesus rigidly -A is baptized into Christ for the remission taught and held fast to one Lord, one faith, one of sins, through faith in his blood : B proclaims baptism-one God and Father, one Spirit, one something he calls the “HOPE OF ISRAEL;" body, one hope. But they were surrounded by A is rebaptized into it. Crises up in the con

gods many, and lords many; and of course gregation and proclaims the gospel, viz. the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, (1

there would be priests many, faiths many, Cor. xv. 1-6) declaring there is bat one bap hopes many, and soon baptisms many, as at the tism. Now what is the effect? If those pre- present time (1 Cor. viii. 4-6.) Now in the sent know that A has been twice baptized in midst of so much confusion, how importent it be. the same congregation, can any one suppose

comes to apprehend clearly the supreme dignity that that congregation believes what it teaches? Thus, you see, by making baptism a personal

and divine claims of the Lord Jesus, by whom all matter, the standing of the congregation is af. things are, and we by him, to the glory of God the fected and divided; and from what has taken 'Father. To attain this knowledge is a PERSO. NAL obligation; as, also, are faith and repent that the world may know that thou hast sent ance : and how baptism can be otherwise, we me.” arc at a loss to determine.

A difficulty presents itself in your letter, viz. The congregations of saints organized by the can a person be immersed into the name of the apostles and evangelists consisted of immersed, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, being ignorant pardoned, justified, adopted, and saved believers, of, and not having faith in, the great facts of the who first individually gave themselves to the gospel, yet in the exercise of sincerely pious Lord, and then to those who formed the con

feelings? That such occurrences take place gregation, according to the word of God. Hence appears to beincontrovertible. The state of mind those who were scattered abroad every where

now referred to may have been superinduced proclaimed the gospel : and, we inier, baptized mainly, if not entirely, by false teaching, and believers, forming churches in every city. The

an erroneous system of education. Nor do we Ethiopian eunuch was baptized in the wilderness,

see how it can be otherwise, so long as the but to what particular church he was added, present mode of preaching and teaching exists. we are not informed. His faith, repentance,

In this respect, even the Baptists are very far and baptism were entirely personal; and so

behind the position they onght to have attainthey must be in every other case. A baptizer ed. The apostolic plan of proclaiming the imparts nothing to the candidate : he is only knowledge of salvation in the remission of all an active witness in the ordinance. The con

past sins-- of how the blessing may be obtaingregation of saints is, as you remark, “the pil- |

ed and fully realized in the heart of the humble, lar and support, or ground of the truth.” She believing penitent—is not prominently put beis so in her confession that Jesus is the Christ,

fore their hearers. On this important point, the Son of the living God--in her receiving and

as well as on that of the resurrectiou from the vindicating the Bible alone, as embodying her

dead and the glorious hope of immortality, too only rules of faith and practice--in her evange

much is taken for granted; and many have lists and teachers, her worship, institutions,

been, and it is to be feared are now being, bapdiscipline, spirit, and behaviour -- in her be

tized into their pious feelings, imaginings, and nevolence and love-in her zeal and fidelity in |

Inve-in her real and fidelity in so forth. Now supposing any of these parties carnestly contending for the gospel once de

discover their error, what is to be done?--who livered to sinners, and for the faith and hope

are responsible, the individuals themselves, or once delivered to the saints. In all these things

the whole congregation of the Lord ? May such she is, or at least ought to be, a distinct and

individuals retrace their steps, and obtain that brilliant light in the world.

of which they have not hitberto been made the With reference to those who seek the fellow

partakers ? We believe they may; not, inship of the church, the facts have to be ascer

deed, with ostentation and vain-boasting, but tained, on credible testimony, that they have

in the humble spirit of the publican—the truc made the good confession that Jesus is the

spirit of the gospel--and in the presence of two Christ, the Son of God -- that they have been

or three witnesses obtain a free and full pardon baptized into His name, thereby obtaining peace

in the appointed way. With such, then, the and pardon through faith in his blood, and are

congregation ought not to interfere ; nor ought henceforth determined to “ do all things what

the parties thus acting to sit in judgment, and soever he has commanded them”—to be stead

desire to impose the same line of conduct upon fast in the apostles' doctrine, in the fellowship,

others who have already been immersed in the in the breaking of bread, and in prayers—to

name of the Lord Jesus. These were the dewatch over one another in truth, forbearance,

scription of persons before our mind when righteousness, and love, submitting to one ano

writing the remarks which have called forth ther in the fear of God. Such we understand

| this correspondence, to be social Christianity. But the disciples of Reference is made in your letter to a reJesus cannot properly discharge these obliga-baptism into what some appear to designate tions to the Lord, to each other, or to the the “ HOPE OF ISRAEL.” We have no faith in world, without union, co-operation, and love. any such re-baptism, simply because neither Hence the prayer of Messiah, " That they all Jesus nor his apostles have given us any testimay be one; as thou, Father, art in me, mony on the subject; and we are surprised and I in thee; that they may be one in us, 'that any of the brethren, whether resident in England or Scotland, should be entrapped into stand among the people shall instruct many : | an observance of such a merely human propo- | but many shall cleave tothem with flatteries." sition as this evidently appears to be.

(Dan. xi. 32–35.)

. "The questions of the present age considered Your's respectfully,

l in their relation to divine truth," by J. G. November 19, 1849.

J. WALLIS.

LEE, are full of instruction to those who

prophesy in sackcloth. What a picture has PASSING REMARKS ON POPULAR

this writer drawn of the “kingdom of the QUESTIONS.

clergy,” as our old friend William Jones used

to call this state of things. What, indeed, can MY DEAR FRIEND– I did not get the Har the puny efforts of popular dissenters effect in BINGER till after the 12th of last month, con bringing down such high things !" sequently too late for the paper herewith sent.

" Alas! Leviathan is not so tame: I now thank you very much for your valuable

Laugh'd at, he laughs again; and stricken hard, letter in relation to the subject on which, in Turns to the stroke his adamantine scales, the full confidence of your love to man, I sought

That lears no discipline of human hunds." your help. It is likely that the friends of However, while such parties strive and jost!e whom I wrote to you will go to Australia,

they frequently prove the happy means of perhaps to Port Philip; nevertheless, what

awakening attention to the salutary instruction you said on the subject of emigration in a of “ the college of fishermen,” among some general way is highly appreciated by them, detached obscure individuals, little accounted of and what you wrote on the United States in

by any party. So that truth is never disconparticular is likely to be of service to others

certed in her grand design, let noisy parties who contemplate leaving this neighbourhood,

behave as they will. and settling in that part of the world. I trust

As to the principle of the Church of England, the hand of God is in all this to bring about nothing can be more opposed to the gospel of his good pleasure towards man- that all the

God; but the question is, whether persons who cnds of the earth niay see his salvation. You | abjure that principle find themselves in other and I, if the Lord should be pleased to lengthen things saturated with opinions contrary to the our lives, will, I am persuaded, see days of gospel, to the degree that most dissenters are. darkness before this glorious age shail dawn

I doubt it. Experience proves that those who upon us. Nevertheless we have to do what

come out from the evil principles of a national we can: if we are not to assist in building the church and infant sprinkling, have most genetemple, still we may prepare materials for it. | rally nothing else to come out from, as in the Much must be pulled down before the faithful

case of Baptist Noel; and why? Because can build up. I have only glanced at the first their creed is made up of facts, not fiction-two or three papers in this month's HAR- | truth, not fable. They have not received the BINGER. That by T. West is excellent in errors of high Calvinism, nor those of mystical reference to the spirit in which certain con- ' experience, and other pestilential doctrines as tend for truth--the self-sufficiency of many are found amongst Huntingdonians, Wesleyans, who seek to reform others by “irreverence and and others. I believe that the teaching of impertinence”-“ efforts to be smart”-“a mary clergymen consists in telling people what kind of backwoods rudeness”-“the bowie- the scriptures mean as to their plain literal knife of a carnalized strife" -- "the fustian

sepse; and though their teaching must needs and froth of sophistry and rant”-“the all- | be neutralized by the evil principle before repervading 1.” Surely “this witness is true;" | ferred to, yet it is not all of it avowedly opand such men, and such means cannot work posed to the apostles' doctrine: whilst on the the righteousness of God. In a day like this, other hand the more like a dissenter any clergyremarkable for good reasoning and bad conduct, man is, the worse his teaching is. I agree for sound rules and corrupt manners-in an age with J. G. Lee, that “God hath need of learned when modesty herself is more ashamed of men;" and with a “Reformed Clergyman” in detection than of delinquency--when indepen reply to his friend M'Cockle, in the MILLENdence of principle consists in having no prin NIAL HARBINGER of 1834:4"Place a thouciple on which to depend, and free thinking sand of your best laymen in the places of clergynot in thinking freely, but in being free from

men; and if in three years they are any better, thinking; in an age when patriots will hold then I am no prophet. They would be worse, any thing except their tongues, keep any thing if not as well educated : for, Sir, keep me from except their word, and lose nothing patiently, an ignorant man in office in Church or State. excent their character : in an age when divines I quarrel with the system much more than make many books rather than hold to onem with the men. " and the people love to have it so ;" surely to instruct such an age is hopeless. Yet an upright

Pigmies are pigmies still tho' perch'd on alps, Editor must remember that it is written,

And pyramids are pyramids in vales.” “But the people that do know their God shall After all, however, the most learned men in be strong and do exploits; and they that under-' the wisdom of this world are sometinues quite

fan

"unlearned” in the best sense. The church, the Lord preserve the disciples of Christ from therefore, is in need of men "mighty in the the atrocious traffic in ardent spirits, and speedscriptures,” who, to use the words of that ableily deliver those who are involved in the evil, writer in the BRITISH MILLENNIAL HAR- for the sake of Jesus who died for fallen man BINGER (R. R.) will “insist upon a strict | Amen. Your affectionate brother, adherence to the express language of the

Edwd. EVANS, JUN. scriptures in regard to everything belonging Penrallt; Llanidloes, Nov. 2, 1849. to Christianity;" indeed, his paper in this month's number is above all praise. May it have the attention it deserves from trne re QUERY.If baptizo means to din, if eis formers.

means into, and hudata as we know, means Yours, my dear friend, with esteem and water--and if immersion be the true baptism, thanks, for your Editorial labours and sacrifice. the proper and indubitable way to describe im

W. c. | mersion would be baptizo eis hudata, or dip Upper Swainswick, Bath, Nov. 6th, 1849.

into water. Find that phrase in the New Testament, and I will be immersed.—J. MILLS.

Mr. Mills states that he will be baptized QUERIES AND REPLIES when any one can show him the phrase, bap

tizo eis hudata in the New Testainent. Now QUERY.-“ Can a disciple of Christ traffic if he waits till they do show it him, he will in ardent spirits ?”

never be baptized; for the sacred writers never I answer no, for to him who deals in ardent used such a shockingly ungrammatical and unspirits the most depraved class of men resort, | idiomatical expression as baptizo eis hudata : and his occupation compels him to be in their | for this phrase literally signisies, “I baptize society-conduct which God's word discounte into waters,” which is never found in the New nances. “Blessed is the man that walketh Testament, the preposition eis not being emnot in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth ployed as the connecting link between baptizo in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of and hudor. Eis may be found in other situ. the scornful” (Psalm ii. 1.) “He that walk ations, but never in this. Whenever the sacth with wise men shall be wise; but a com cred writers use the word baptizo, they always panion of fools shall be destroyed” (Prov. xii. place the word signifying water in the singular 20.) “Be not deceived: evil communications number and the dative case, connecting the corrupt good manners” (1 Cor. xx. 33.) verb baptizo and the noun hudor by the pre

Many who frequent taverns purchase inebri position en-expressed or understood. The ating liquors while their families are in extreme preposition eis can never be understood to gopoverty, destitute of food and clothing. It is vern hudati instead of en, for eis always gopossible, and even probable, that a disciple verns the accusative case — en always the dawould, rather than lose his custorners, sell to tive case. such characters. Would he not, in this case, Here are the examples of the phrase :be “partaker of other men's sins ?” Oh, what 1. Matthew iii. 11, Ego men baptiza hudebauchery and malignity, what feuds and mas en hudati — I indeed baptize you in bloodshed, and what thousands of untimely water. deaths, have alcoholic liquors occasioned! Is ! 2. Mark i. 8, Ego men cbaptizu humas en it possible that a disciple of Christ, who is to hudatiI indeed baptized you in water. abstain from every appearance of evil,” can 3. Luke iii. 16, Ego men hudati baptizo traffic in that which is so productive of evil | humas--I indeed baptize you in water. and destructive to his fellow creatures ? “We 4. John i. 26, Ego baptizo en hudati – I inay not sell,” says Wesley, “anything which | baptize in water. tends to impair health. Such is eminently all / John i. 31, Dia touto eelthon ego, en to that liquid fire, commonly called drams, or hudati baptizon — Therefore am I come barspirituous liquors. All who sell them in the tizing in water, common way, to any that will buy, are poison- John i. 33, All'ho pempsas me baptizein ers general! They murder her Majesty's en hudati-But he who sent me to baptize in subjects by wholesale."

| water. A disciple is to“ pray without ceasing.” He Acts i. 15, Hoti Ioannes men ebaptizen would be disposed occasionally to pray for tem- | hudati (en being understood)—For John truly poral prosperity, especially under trying cir- | baptized in water. cumstances. If he be a dealer in ardent spirits, Now since the phrase BAPTIZO EIS HUDATA what would he in this respect be praying for? | is not a Greek idiom, and neither grammatical Is it not that his fermented drinks should be nor idiomatical, and is not to be found in the rapidly consumed? Yes, which in effect is New Testament, the only method of solving praying for the deprivation of men's health, of the question, is by examining the passages their property, and of their domestic affections which are in the New Testament. We havecited and enjoyments-who will finally become pests the passages in which the words BAPTIZO and to society, disdained by God and man. May HUDOR are used. If the word BAPTIZO siguifies to sprinkle, then the passages must read as power and love, in the salvation of millions, follow :-“I indeed sprinkle you in water;" with divine benignity and majesty, delight or, “But he who sent me to sprinkle in water.” | to be in subjection, that God may be all in Now though a man can be sprinkled with water, all? Whether these remarks will give any or have water sprinkled on him, he cannot be additional light to the mind of our inquisprinkled in water, or into water. The last ring friend, is not for us to say. It is imporphrase would be nonsense. The word “sprinkle”. tant, however, for us to take heed that we so does not make sense in these passages - the walk as to please God, that we may be accountword “ immerse" does.

ed worthy to attain to a resurrection from But there is other evidence as to the method among the dead, and that we be not put to of baptism. The Apostle Paul uses baptism as shame by him at his coming. a comparison to burial—“Buried with bim by | With regard to the 29th verse, “What shall baptism” (dia tou baptismatos.) Now when they do who are baptized for the dead,” we a person is buried, the whole body is covered can only answer it in the following way :--In with earth ; therefore, if the apostles' compa- the church at Corinth there were some, perparison be correct, baptism is the burial of the haps many, who contended that the Lord Jesus body in water -- the whole body is hidden be- Christ was still dead, in his grave, and had neath the water: but if baptisma signifies a gone to corruption as an accursed malefactor, sprinkling, then the apostle's comparison is and that there would be no resurrection from manifestly incorrect, for no person can be bu- the dead. Yet these parties had been such ried by having a little earth sprinkled on him. simpletons as to be baptized into his death! Baptism, therefore, if Paul's comparison be Now the apostle puts the interrogation-what correct, can only be administered by immersion, shall these and all others do, who act so sense

J. G. LEE. less a part, if the dead rise not? J. W.

QUERY. — Will you, or some of your correspondents, give us the best light they can on

ITEMS OF NEWS. 1 Cor. xv. 28, and also on verse 29 ? W. G. The meaning of the first passage seems to be

BETHNAL GREEN, NOVEMBER 19TH.--On to the following effect :-Now when all things | the 15th instant we had the gratification of are subjected to him, (Messiah) then even he immersing into Jesus two disciples, whose afhimself shall be subject to him, (Jehovah) who fections were previously arrested by the love for a time subjects all things to the Son—that of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. They, with Jehovah may finally be all in all, as He was the rest of the brethren, are rejoicing in the before Adam sinned. This passage, to some good hope. On. Lord's day morning two others readers of the New Testament, seems difficult were added to our number; they are known of comprehension, especially to regard it as to Brother Black and others of the London conveying a full recognition of the divinity of church. Until lately they have met together Messiah for ever. To speak of the Son being in their house as a church. We are in hope in a state of subjection to the Father, does not of further additions. May they be such as suit the ideas of some men. Such a subjection shall be saved in the great day. It is an imwas not originally approved by Adam, when portant work to instruct men, so as they may tested by a simple law. It is not for us to have a joyful entrance into the church on earth; know in the present world, what high behests but how vastly more important is it to teach will be given to saints and angels in the im all things whatsoever our blessed Lord taught, mortal state, to which, with the second Adam concerning his kingdom and glory. We feel at their head, all will joyfully and gratefully the necessity of great watchfulness, gentleness, submit. Sin and death being destroyed, and and love, since the world is ever on the alert, all enemies under His feet, the Son shall resign scanning our words and actions, and would the kingdom to God, even the Father ; but He not fail to heap calumny upon our names, must now reign until the enemies of God and wherever the slightest occasion appears. man be overcome. Then shall Messiah, the

W. WARREN. seed of Abraham, born of a woman, the Son of God, the Son and Lord of David, clothed in | LEICESTER, NOVEMBER 20TH. -- Beloved our nature, appear as the Head of a new crea- Brother : Since you lectured here, we have had tion! Will He not, in this immortal school, be the pleasure of immersing a female, some sixtythe teacher, guide, and commander of this glo- | | five or seventy years of age. Her faith was rious community, redeemed from an unclean, strong in the Lord, and though feeble in frame, helpless, and corruptible state? If, when on her courage was remarkable. She is now earth, surrounded by the most malignant ene- going on her way rejoicing, in the warm mies, he officially learned obedience by the radiance of the reconciled countenance of God, things which he suffered — manifesting, at “whose loving-kindness is better than life.” the same time, his own and his Father's glory How awfully pleasing to behold one well nigh -will he not, when contemplating the blissful the verge of the grave, spring into a new life! results of his humiliation, and all-conquering 'How solemn the transition-yea, how sublime

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