or quite touching the Circus is Coventry Mr. Andrew Wauchope of Edmonstone, Street, easily covering the top of the Hay. market.

honour of being the illegitimate children of
George IV.; and I believe the author of a
recent volume, An Injured Queen, Caroline
of Brunswick,' Mr. Lewis Melville, even went
so far as to express considerable doubt as to
whether George IV. was the father of the
Princess Charlotte, and gave some details as
to the supposed paternity.
WM. H. PEET.

GEORGE IV.'S NATURAL CHILDREN (11 S. x. 490). This rather unprofitable topic has been raised in the pages of N. & Q.'before now, and QUIEN SABE may rest assured that the sovereign in question "had no son by his morganatic wife Mrs. Fitzgerald "--by which description QUIEN SABE presumably means Mrs. Fitzherbert, with whom the King, then Prince of Wales, went through an illegal form of marriage, notoriously null and void under the provisions of the Royal interesting book Mrs. Fitzherbert and

Marriage Act.

Morganatic unions are, as I have pointed out on a previous occasion in your hospitable pages, totally unknown to English jurisprudence, and Mrs. Fitzherbert is therefore quite incorrectly styled morganatic wife of George IV., despite their lengthy cohabitation and Queen Caroline's witty bon mot on the subject.

"the

A vast number of memoirs and diaries have been published during the last century in which the figure of King George IV. has certainly been exposed to the fullest glare of that light which beats on every throne. It would be easy to compile a long list, though doubtless an incomplete one, of his female favourites, from the lovely Perdita down to the great lady who ruled the roast at the Royal Lodge in Windsor Park in the last years of his reign; but I believe the only authentic record of any offspring of his numerous amours is briefly contained in the following work, viz., the Preface to " Journal of my Life during the French Revolution, by Grace Dalrymple Elliott," published in 1859, which mentions a most intimate connexion between George IV. (then Prince of Wales) and Mrs. Elliott:

"

"The result was the birth of a female child, who was christened at Marylebone church under the names of Georgiana Augusta Frederica Seymour.' This Miss Seymour" married Lord Charles Bentinck in 1808, and died in 1813.

of

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The late Mr. W. H. Wilkins, in his

George IV.,' declares emphatically in a
foot-note (vol. i. p. 105):—

by her third marriage with George, Prince of
"Neither by her first or second marriage, nor
Wales, had Mrs. Fitzherbert any children,"
most authoritative statement on the subject.
and this may be accepted as the latest and
The notorious Grace Dalrymple Eliot (“Dally
the Tall "), however, always insisted that her
the child of the Heir Apparent, and in the
daughter-born on 30 March, 1782-was
Registers of Baptism at St. Marylebone
Church for 30 July of that year is the
following entry :-

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daughter of His Royal Highness George, Prince of
Georgina Augusta Frederica Elliott [sic]
Wales, and Grace Elliott [sic]."
On the other hand, many persons claimed
the paternity of the little girl for George,
4th Earl Cholmondeley, who brought her
up and educated her, and it was under his
auspices that she was married, at Chester
on 21 Sept., 1808, to Lord William Charles
Bentinck, third son of the third Duke of
Portland. She died on 10 Dec., 1813, aged
31. Previous to her marriage, while living
with Lord Cholmondeley, she bore the name
of Seymour.
HORACE BLEACKLEY.

Mrs. Fitzherbert, the morganatic wife of
George IV., had no children (D.N.B.,'
Fitzherbert, Maria Anne, 1756-1837; 'Ency.
clopædia Britannica,' art., 'George IV.').

It may be well to remark that the Prince In the Memoirs of George IV.,' by Robert of Wales was far from being the only admirer Huish, 1830, there is no mention of any Dally the Tall,' as Mrs. Elliott was offspring resulting from the amours there known by her friends, and it is certainly described. Neither is there, as in other permissible to suspect that the royal parent-cases, a peerage to perpetuate the line of an age ascribed to her daughter was at least illegitimate descendant. A striking resemdubious. blance to royalty was apt, in the Georgian period, to create an impression of illegitimacy. Rouse George IV. Possibly Mr. resembled J. D. C.

H. In Mr. W. H. Wilkins's 'Mrs. Fitzherbert and George IV.,' 2 vols., 8vo, 1905, there is no mention, I believe, of any child or children. This book can, I think, claim to be definitive on the subject, and Mr. Wilkins was not remarkable for reticence. So far as I remember, I do not know that there were any claimants to the doubtful

TIMOTHY SKOTTOWE (11 S. x. 489).-In 1642-3 Mr. Timothy Skottowe was appointed one of five Commissioners to collect the Norwich contingent of Lord Grey's Associated Counties' Peace Preservation Force.

O'NEILL (11 S. x. 470).—The ancient and to the hospitals. There is a St. Rook's princes of O'Neill are represented to-day Hill near Chichester, and at East Lavant in the male line by his Excellency Jorge Church, near by, is the following entry in the O'Neill (The O'Neill), Grand Officier register, made by a rector who was appointed d'Honneur de la Maison du Roi, Lisbon, in 1726 :— whose family settled in Portugal in 1736. The O'Neill descends in the male line from Brian Ballagh, Prince of Claneboy, second son of Neill Mor O'Neill, Prince of Claneboy temp. Henry VII.

T. A. O'MORCHOE, Clk. Kilternan Rectory, co. Dublin.

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Augt ye 16th St. Rook's day, said to be bury'd in E. Lavant Chancell and that to be his monument in ye North-wall of ye said Chancell.” W. B. H.

The comparison may possibly be postAdamic, but it is certainly not of modern origin. MR. CECIL CLARKE will find something to interest him in ‘N. & Q.,' 5 S. ii. 274, 314, 458, 525; iii. 37, 98, 197. ST. SWITHIN.

This was a favourite expression of a doctor I knew well fifty years ago. After examining a patient, if the result was satisfactory, he would congratulate him and say, "You are as sound as a roach." A. N. Q.

AS SOUND AS A ROACH'S " (11 S. x. 468). -The expression really should be As sound as a roach," and will be found in most books of proverbs and phrases. Lean [D. O. also thanked for reply.} in his Collectanea,' ii. 875, quotes it as being from the works of John Gay (1685-467, 514).-Drury Lane Theatre is here per"MADAME DRURY, AGED 116" (11 S. x. 1732), and in a note says that it means as sound as a rock," being a corruption from the French roche. Brewer's Dic

tionary of Phrase and Fable' gives "Roach. Sound as a roach (French, Sain comme une roche). Sound as a rock.

ARCHIBALD SPARKE, F.R.S.L.

The N.E.D.' shows that, far from being novel, this phrase is some hundreds of years old. MR. CECIL CLARKE mentioned a similar use of "bell.” The quotation in the N.E.D.' from Gay combines both words: "Hearts sound as any bell or roach." EDWARD BENSLY.

sonified as an ancient dame.

After the destruction by fire, in 1672, of the house then standing, the theatre was It flourished for some 117 years, and was rebuilt by Wren, and was opened in 1674. then again rebuilt on a larger scale, and reopened in 1794. H. D. ELLIS.

7, Roland Gardens, S. W.

[H. also thanked for reply.]

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TIME

(11 S. x. 490). This is a ballad by Alfred
Noyes, and will be found in A Treasury of
Verse' (Edgar), pt. iii. p. 9 (Harrap & Co.,
York Street, W.C.), and in other collections.
CHARLOTTE SIMPSON.

EIGHTEENTH-CENTURY KENTISH TOKENS two specimens, differing only in their edges: (11 S. x. 449, 514).—Of the first token I have the edge of one reads PAYABLE BY I. GIBBS LAMBERHURST, and the other reads PAY

ABLE BY I. GIBBS SUSSEX. The same token
was thus used both in Kent and Sussex.
Of the second token I have three specimens,
differing only in their edges: (1) PAYABLE
BY W. FRIGGLES GOUDHURST. (2) PAY-
ABLE BY W.
FUGGLES GOUDHURST. (3)
PAYABLE BY W. MYNS GOUDHURST. The
second is usually found countermarked with
a large "F." Of the third token I have one
specimen, the edge of which reads PAYABLE
BY I. SIMMONS STAPLEHURST.
This system
of lettering the edges enabled one type of
token to be used by several traders. They

WILLIAM GILBERT, F.R.N.S.

35, Broad Street Avenue, E.C.

are typical of the hundreds of tradesmen's From the companion volume we learn that tokens circulating in the country at the end ten new peerages were created during the past of the eighteenth and beginning of the nine-year besides the Earldom conferred upon Lord Kitchener. The appointments more immediteenth century, necessitated by the small ately due to the naval and military operations amount of copper coin issued by the Govern- now in progress are recorded down to the latest ment, and consequent scarcity of change. possible date before going to press. The names of the newly instituted Sees of Chelmsford, Sheffield, and St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich are also to be found in the alphabetical list. The of Buccleuch, Obituary includes the Duke Joseph Chamberlain, Viscount Knutsford, and the veteran Field-Marshal Earl Roberts, who died in France "within sound of the guns," and was buried in St. Paul's on the 19th of November. By special remainder the title has passed to his daughter Aileen Mary, born 1870. Two Garters are recorded as having been bestowed, the recipients being the King of Denmark and Earl Beauchamp. One more honoured name must now be added-that of the King of the Belgians, upon whom the Garter was bestowed by our King, almost on the field of battle, during his recent visit to the front.

BAPTISM OF CLOVIS (11 S. x. 428).-I believe your correspondent will find that the correspondence he mentions took place recently in The Guardian. J. T. P.

Notes on Books.

(Whitaker & Sons,

Whitaker's Almanack, 1915.
18. net and 2s. 6d. net.)
Whitaker's Peerage, 1915. (Same publishers,
58. net.)

A CORDIAL New Year's welcome to our old

friends the two Whitakers'! We shall keep them Papers and Proceedings of the Hampshire Field Club and Archaeological Society. Vol. VII. by our side all through the coming year. Part I. Edited by John Hautenville Cope.

Some of the contents of the Almanack' afford a sad contrast to those of last year. Where we then read about The World's Peace' and the decisions of the Hague Tribunal we have now 'The Great War' and an account of the suddenness with which it burst upon us. On the 25th of June the British battleships were heartily received on arriving at Kiel for the regatta, and the German Emperor, in the uniform of a British admiral, visited the flagship the King George V.; and on the 4th of August the two nations were at war. A chronicle is given of the operations of the opposing forces both on land and sea.

Some statistics are supplied as to the effect of war upon trade, and these show that, while the trade of the victorious nation improves rapidly, that of the vanquished nation only recovers after a period, which may be short, of severe depression. To take the Franco-Prussian War

as

an illustration, the exports of France the year before the war were 160,000,000l.; the year after the war, 147,160,000l. The trade of Germany with the United Kingdom the year preceding the war was 18,350,000l., and the year after the war it amounted to 19,260,000l. The close of the South African War initiated a boom in trade; and after the Russo-Japanese War Japan's trade increased by leaps and bounds. The present war, as we all know, has brought the foreign trade of Germany to a standstill; her exports, amounting to 484,000,000l. in 1913, have ceased, except for the small amount taken by neutral countries.

Among the losses to literature and science caused by death are recorded Sir Robert Ball, Mr. S. R. Crockett, Mr. Watts-Dunton, Sir David Gill, Sir John Murray, and Dr. A. Russel Wallace. Two well-known names disappear from the publishing world: Dr. Brockhaus and Mr. Edward Marston, the latter a contributor to 'N. & Q.' The death of Mr. William A. Gordon Hake, aged 103, is also chronicled. Among wills proved were four exceeding a million, the highest being that of Lord Strathcona, which was proved at 4,651,4027.

ON taking over the editorship of the Papers and
Proceedings of the above Society Mr. Hautenville
Cope begins with a solid and successful number.
The excursions of which it gives particulars offer
an abundance of interesting detail, and the
papers contributed are fairly representative of
the kinds of objects with which the Society is
occupied. The first paper gives a transcription,
with a translation, of the Rental of Wymering.
It is followed by Mr. Dale's discussion of Hamp-
shire flints, and then by Capt. Kempthorne's
description of the Devil's Highway (the Hamp-
shire portion) and Dr. Williams-Freeman's notes
on Roman Roads in South Hants.' Miss Emma
Swann has embellished her article on 'Hampshire
Fonts' by delightful illustrations. The histories
connected with Farley Chamberlayne and Monk
Sherborne are the subjects of two good articles,
by Mrs. Suckling and Miss Florence Davidson
respectively. We noticed also Mr. Karslake's
'Silchester,' Mr. W. H. Jacob's
" Tudor Win-
chester from Civic MSS.,' and Mr. Ravenscroft's
paper on the old Lymington Salterns.
The Library Journal: October and November, 1914..
(New York, Library Journal' Office; London,.
22, Bedford Street, W.C., 18. 6d. each.)
WHEN the War broke out many American
librarians were on their way to the Pan-Anglican
Library Conference that had been arranged to
take place at Oxford. It is now proposed to
hold it next year, but "it seems probable that
a larger representation could be secured from
America two years hence.' The idea is to hold
it as soon as convenient after the War, for, as the
editor of the Journal says, "this is not a people's
war, but a war of the general staffs, in which
the people suffer. What international bitter-
ness remains will not be among the people who.
have suffered, the clientele of libraries, but among
those in authority who are responsible for the
conflict."

Both to the October and November numbers
Theodore W. Koch, Librarian of the

Mr.