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One branch of the family settled in Kent, and in the year 1389 gave a Lord Mayor to London, who bore as crest, "an eagle displayed arg., charged on the breast with a cross formée gul." This crest has been continued to be borne by his descendants until the death, not many years ago, of Charles Venner, a barrister, son of Kingsford Venner, who alienated the estate of Bosenden. This Charles Venner died unmarried, and the family is now extinct, except through the female line, the sister of this Charles Venner having married and left descendants.
With regard to the "one Venner" alluded to, your querist F. makes a great mistake with respect to the date. It was during the reign of Charles the Second, not Charles the First, that this man, whom Thurloe calls a "desperate and bloody spirit" flourished, and it was on January 6, 1661 (Vide Lingard, vol. ii. p. 210), that the attempted rising took place.
Hume (vol. v. p. 474), says
"Venner, [a desperate enthusiast, who had often conspired against Cromwell, having by his zealous lectures inflamed his own imagination and that of his followers, issued forth at their head into the streets of London. They were, to the number of sixty, completely armed; believed themselves invulnerable and invincible, and firmly expected the same success which had attended Gideon and other heroes of the Old Testament. Every one at first fled before them. One unhappy man, who, being questioned, said he was for God and King Charles,' was instantly murdered by them. They went triumphantly from street to street, everywhere proclaiming 'King Jesus,' who, they said, was the invincible leader. length the magistrates, having assembled some trainbands, made an attack upon them. They defended themselves with order as well as valour, and after killing many assailants, they made a regular retreat into Cane Wood, near Hampstead. Next morning they were chased by a detachment of the Guards, but they ventured again to invade the city, which was not prepared to receive them. After committing great disorder, and traversing almost every street of that immense capital, they retired into a house which they were resolved to defend to the last extremity. Being surrounded, the house untiled, they were fired upon from every side, and they still refused quarter. The people rushed in upon them, and seized the few that were alive. They were tried, condemned, and executed, and to the last they persisted in affirming that, if they were deceived, it was the Lord that had deceived them."-Vide State Trials, vi. 105; Heath, 471; Parker, De Rebus sui Temporis, 10; Pepys, i. 167–172. V. S. J. F.
STRANGE DERIVATIONS (3rd S. iv. 135.)- My observation on the derivation of Pontifer given by GIRALDUS was, that it "admits of question:" and it does so in a far wider sense than J. EASTwoon seems to be at all aware of. If the only
question" it admitted of were the simple one alluded to by your correspondent (vide Kennet's Roman Antiquities, p. 71), it might well have been
lightly passed over" by him, and not primarily noticed by me in " N. & Q." J. EASTWOOD entirely ignores the posse fucere theory, quia illis jus erat sacra faciendi; and the more modern one given by Dr. Donaldson, New Cratylus, Section 295, where he says:
"From the root pos, strengthened by n in the present of po[s]no, posui, we have the participial noun pons pos -nts, which had a primitive form pos; and this conveyed the idea of laying down heavily, whether this signified that a mass of stones was thrown into the water (yé-pupa), or generally that there was a weight which caused an inclination of the scale. This no doubt moral inclination, and thus we get the explanation of the is the origin of s-ponte, which refers to the momentum of Pontifex, who settled the Atonement by the imposition of a Carni-fex, who took satisfaction on the body of the delinfine, i. e. a certain weight of copper, as opposed to the quent."
Plutarch, Life of Numa Pompilius, writes as follows:
"But the most common opinion is the most absurd which derives this word (Pontifex) from the Latin Pons, which signifies a Bridge, saying that anciently the most solemn and holy sacrifices were offered on bridges; the care of which, both in maintaining and repairing, was the chief incumbence of the priests."
An opinion which Plutarch calls absurd I am at least justified, notwithstanding J. EASTWOOD and the school editions of Roman Antiquities, in noticing as one that "admits a question." As to Treacle, I am obliged to C. P. E. for directing me to the passage in Bishop Andrewes. Galen, &c. I was aware of. I see nothing to impugn my statement as to its derivation from employ being what I first called it," a tolerable specimen of a ramble in search of a root."
W. BOWEN ROWLANDS.
I would refer MR. ROWLANDS to a long article by myself on the word "Treacle," which will be found in "N. & Q." 3 S. i. 145. F. CHANCE. SURNAMES (3rd S. iv. 122.)-The name "Blackinthemouth" has its equivalent in Spanish, Bocca-negra," or "Black-mouth." The Minister for Foreign Affairs at Mexico, under President Santa Anna in 1841, bore this name. May
not the curious names cited by vv indicate a class of persons? Villains must have assumed surnames, and do not some of the names mentioned sound like those of bondage servants in ecclesiastical establishments? F.
RING MOTTOES (3rd S. iii. 503.)—The wedding ring of the wife of Dr. George Bull, Bishop of St. David's, who was married on Ascension Day, 1658, bore the motto " Benè parere, parêre, parare det mihi Deus." See Life of Dr. Bull by Robert Nelson, second edition, London, 1714, p. 47.
Your correspondents J. Y. and MR. BOWEN ROWLANDS, will find in the above book another beautiful example of dying devotion to the English church. J. H. S.
WARDEN OF THE CINQUE PORTS (3rd S. iv. 129.)-The Lord Warden whose procession is depicted in Wootton's Prospect of Dover Castle, &c., at Knole, Sevenoaks, is Lionel Cranfield Sackville, who was made Constable of Dover Castle, and Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports, by Queen Anne, in 1708, and advanced to the Dignity of Duke of Dorset by George I. in 1720. The portraits of his Grace, Sir Bazil Dixon, Maximilian Buck, Chaplain to the Duke, and many years Rector of Seal, Kent, and others, are introduced into the picture, which was painted by Wootton in 1727, and is in size 10 ft. by 7 ft. EDWARD J. WOOD.
RECORD COMMISSION PUBLICATIONS (3rd S. ii. 101.)-Copies of the works referred to by MR. IRVINE are in the Library of Lincoln's Inn, forming part of the valuable collection presented by MR. C. P. Cooper to the Hon. Society.
JOB J. BARDWELL WORKARD, M.A. QUOTATION, "LOVE THOU THY SORROW" (3rd S. iv. 129.)-This is a short poem of two verses by Mr. H. Sutton, of Nottingham, and was first published in the Truth-Seeker, and then in a small volume which appeared, I believe, in 1850. It was printed at Nottingham. The following is the complete poem :—
"The flowers live by the tears that fall From the sad face of the skies;
And life would have no joys at all,
Were there no watery eyes.
"Love thou thy sorrow: grief shall bring
Its own excuse in after years;
The rainbow-see how fair a thing
God hath built up from tears!"
THE MAYPOLE IN THE STRAND (3rd S. iv. 126.) There must surely have been a maypole in the Strand later than 1717. Fifty years after the death of Sir Isaac Newton it comes up again, and in connection with the name of another astronomer. Derham, in the Preface to his Astro-Theology (it is the edition of 1775 that I have before me), refers to "the old former complaint of the want of a long pole to manage Mr. Huygens's glass with" (the "grand obstacle to all his views" with this telescope, which had been lent to him by the Royal Society, being "the vapours near the horizon,") and
"Takes this opportunity of publicly owning, with all honour and thankfulness, the generous offer made to him
as skill and abilities in the laws, who would have made
by some of his friends, eminent in their stations, as well him a present of the Maypole in the Strand (which was to be taken down), or any other pole he thought convenient for the management of Mr. Huygens's glass. But as his incapacity of accepting the favour of these noble Mæcenases had been the occasion of that excellent
glass being put into better hands, so he assured himself their expectations were abundantly answered by the number and goodness of the observations that had been,
and would be, made therewith."
A second time, therefore, "the Maypole in the Strand" had the chance of doing duty as a Peak of Teneriffe. C.
MAGIC PEAR OF COALSTON (3rd S. iii. 466.)— Sir R. Brown, the eldest son of the Baronet of Colstoun, in his Baronetage for 1843, gives the following account of this pear:—
"In 1270, the Baron of Colstoun m. the daughter of Hugo de Gifford, Baron of Yester, celebrated for his necromantic powers (see Scott's" Marmion "), and as they were proceeding to church, the wizard lord stopped the
Mr. Sutton is also the author of a prose work, procession beneath a pear-tree, and plucking one of the entitled The Evangel of Love.
J. A. L. ST. GERMAIN (3rd S. iv. 70.)-There were several families of this name in France; perhaps MELETES will be able to select the one he requires from the following list :
pears, gave it to his daughter, saying, so long as the
St. Germain, barons d'Annebaud (Normandy
TO TERRIFY (3rd S. iv. 126.)—This word is common in Norfolk, but not in the sense of to shake, but to do much more formidable injury. In Forby's Vocabulary of East Anglia, the following meanings are given, - "to teaze, irritate, annoy." But we constantly hear it used in passionate threats; as, "I'll terrify your vitals." The meaning here is, to tear out. The word is evidently derived from to tear, and is indeed pronounced tearify. F. C. H. CLOUDBERRY (3rd S. iii. 512; iv. 39.) - In Staffordshire, Cloud means a hill; may not that account for the word Cloudberry, since the habitat of that plant is on mountains?
W. I. S. HORTON.
DEATH OF THE CZAR NICHOLAS (3rd S. iv. 28, 77.)-This query gives me an opportunity to record the following incident in the life of the Czar Nicholas, which I heard from the lips of a Polish Jew some years ago, but as I have not read any account of it, perhaps some of your readers may be able to substantiate or disprove it. I ought to say that I have no reason to doubt the veracity of my informant, and that he was not animated by unkind feeling towards the emperor. On the contrary, when I happened to let a word slip against the czar, he rebuked me -"Hush! thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people; besides, he is the King of the North,' whose future is mixed up with the future of my own people."
He stated that it was customary (when he resided in St. Petersburgh) to present his majesty on the anniversary of his coronation with a silver arm chair, when he sat in it, and received the address from the deputation. On the last occasion, before the emperor had time to sit down, an aide-de-camp stepped forward, and with his sword struck the seat of the chair a heavy blow, which, touching a secret spring, the arms of the chair opened, and two sharp blades protruded which would have cut him in two had he sat down as usual.
Now, some wise people have shaken their wise heads at my tale, but I am only the echo. I still think the author was not a manufacturer of canards, and shall do so until I can't help it. GEORGE LLOYD.
P.S. I ought to state that my Hebrew friend
said in continuation-"The conduct of the aide surprised every one more than the conspiracy itself." That part of the mystery was never unravelled. Some said he knew it by inspiration; some by intuition; some that he was one of the lot, and split. "Further deponent sayeth not."
CALTHROP (3rd S. iv. 140.)-I assure your correspondent, MR. WORKARD, that I too observed the difficulty to which he calls attention, but as
funeral entries are now declared (by the decision of the House of Lords in the Dunboyne Peerage Case) to be evidence, their contents must be taken as true. I now give a copy verbatim et literatim of the entry at p. 60 of the 3rd vol. of the Funeral Entries in Ulster Office, which I have this day made from the original: : --
"Sr Charles Calthrop Kt one of ye Justices of ye Comon pleas dec: ye 6 of Januarie 1616 and is buried in Christ Church Dublin; he was aged about 92 y: his first wife was Winifride Zoto, his second Dorothie Deane, he left noe issue; He was sonne of Sr Fraunces Calt: Kt sonne of Sr Wm Calt: K High Shireve of ye contie of Norfolk 1: H: 6. sonne of Bartholomew, sonne of Sr Wm, sonne of Sr Olevir sonne of Sr Wm Calthrop Kt yt lived in the tyme of the Conquerour."
There are two other entries in the same volume
relating to his two wives. This information I extracted several years since for my own private. use, through the kindness and liberality of Sir J. Bernard Burke. H. LOFTUS TOTTENHAM.
REGIOMONTANUS (3rd S. iv. 110.) — Without assigning any ground for his doubt, MR. DAVIS, in opposition to all recognised authorities, professes not to believe that the family name of Regiomontanus was Müller. The Latin pseudonym and its German synonym, Kynsperger, were evidently assumed, in accordance with the custom of the time, from the place of his birthKönigsberg or Mons Regius.
The life of Regiomontanus was not passed in a garret, and it surely must be easy to trace the sire-name of the scientific bishop. Is there no list at Rome, or Ratisbon, from which we may learn the patronymics of those who have been promoted to ecclesiastical dignities? By-the-bye, Müller was not the first savant on the episcopal throne of Ratisbon, for, if I remember rightly, Albertus Magnus had formerly occupied it, though only for a short period. The only lists of bishops of this see with which I am acquainted are-1. "Breve Chronicon Episcoporum Ratisbonensium, ex Chronica Conradi de Monte Puellarum Confectum," and, 2. "Chronicon Episc. Ratisbon. Anonymi Authoris.'
The first of these ends with Conrad III. in 1296, the last with Conrad IV. in 1368. The Chronicle of Andrew of Ratisbon mentions no bishop later than 1437, Fridericus "Parsperger" being the last; but the Cathedral information required by your correspondent. Archives of Ratisbon would doubtless give the
BAYNBRIGG (3rd S. iii. 489; iv. 15.)-In family papers, which perhaps may be of use to B. A. H., I find Nicholas Buckeridge, of Northaw, co. Herts, married Sarah, daughter and co-heiress of William Bainbrigge of St. Giles's-in-the-Fields, London; issue, Baynbrigg Buckeridge; who married, first, a daughter of Sir Edward Atkins, Knt.; no issue.
Secondly, in 1711, Mary Geering, daughter and heiress of William Geering of Broadwater, and Goring, co. Sussex; by her he had two sons, Henry Bainbrigg Buckeridge of Erleigh Court, near Sonning; and Nicholas, who died unmarried. The property in St. Giles's belongs now, Meux's Brewery included, to Francis Hotchkin Buckeridge of Sonning, near Reading.
Henry Baynbrigg Buckeridge of Lincoln's Inn, and also of Highgate, in the county of Middlesex, is in a direct line descended from Arthur Buckeridge of Grand Chester, in the county of Cambridge, who was brother to the late Rev. John Buckeridge, Bishop of Rochester, and afterwards of Ely; that the said bishop had arms granted unto him by William Camden, Esq., Clarenceux King of Arms, without any amitation of them to his brother; whereby, upon the death of the said bishop, he dying unmarried, the said arms ceased; and that he is unwilling to use any ensigns of honour without an unquestionable authority, hath therefore prayed his lordship's warrant for our granting and confirming to him and his descendants, and to the descendants of his father Baynbrigg Buckeridge, both deceased: the which arms were borne by the said Bishop Buckeridge for the term of his life.
The arms were granted to Henry Baynbrigg Buckeridge, the 1st of April, the 11th year of George II., 1738.
JULIA R. BOCKETT. Bradney, near Burghfield Bridge, Reading. GRAPE AND SEASIDE-GRAPE (3rd S. iv. 85.) Your correspondent S. has remarked upon Sir A. Alison's well-known and graphic description of the West Indies, because it speaks of the fruit of the sea-side grape as grapes." To strengthen his case, your correspondent adds, "there is as little affinity between the grape and the sea-side grape as between the strawberry and the 'strawberry tree.'"
This may be botanically true; but with regard to the fruit of the sea-side grape, which is now the question, I beg leave to demur. Not only are strawberries very good eating, especially with cream, but they are generally considered an entirely harmless and indeed wholesome fruit. But, on the contrary, the fruit of the strawberry-tree, or arbutus at any rate the mature and fullydeveloped fruit as it grows in the South of Europe-has a very bad name. It is sometimes given with a bad design, and with a similar design it is sometimes eaten intentionally; but
"No quiere mi Madre que yo coma madroño," says the Spanish song (Madroño, the fruit of the strawberry-tree); and no one can partake of that fruit without consequences which all discreet and decent people would deprecate.
The affinity, then, between the common strawberry and the fruit of the strawberry-tree is very
remote, and almost of that kind which a certain writer of Hibernian extraction has called "antithetical." But the affinity between the fruit of the seaside-grape and that of the common vine, or Vitis vinifera, is of that more ordinary description which may be termed homogeneous. Thus, according to Dr. Grainger (The Sugar Cane, a poem, London, 1764, book iv. 563-5, and note), the seaside-grape is not bad for food, its "clusters," when they ripen, become "impurpled," and it makes wine. Now this fruit, be it observed, the worthy Doctor himself twice calls simply
grapes.""It (the tree) bears large clusters of grapes"; and again, "the grapes, steept in water." And as, though he published in London, he wrote in the West Indies, whence he hails as a resident, we may fairly infer that he there found "grapes," simply "grapes," a received and well-known name for the fruit in question. What wonder then if Sir Archibald, writing about the West Indies, uses the same word in the same sense?-of course always supposing in his readers sufficient gumption to understand him. If I am writing of a small specimen of West Indian currency called a dog, surely I am not bound to add in a note, "not dog, a quadruped." SCHIN.
TITLES BORNE BY CLERGYMEN (3rd S. iv. 148.)Besides the baronets (of whom a long list has already been given in "N. & Q."), there are the Earls of Abergavenny, Buckinghamshire, and Guilford; Lords Bayning, De Saumarez, Saye and Sele, Alwyne Compton, T. Hay, Arthur and Charles Hervey, Wriothesley Russell, and John Thynne (perhaps others), and more than one hundred Honourables; to whom may be added Counts Dawson-Duffield and John de la Feld; all clergymen of the Church of England. Lord Auckland is Bishop of Bath and Wells. The Earl of Kilmorey and Viscount Mountmorres are clergymen of the church of Ireland. Lord Plunket is Bishop of Tuam. Sir W. L. Darell (not Darrell) is a baronet, and an English clergyman.
JOB J. BARDWELL WORKARD, M.A.
also the word milites denotes Gentlemen or great Freeholders of the County also, and they are called Knights
in our lawes that concerne either choice of Coroners or Knights of the Parliament, although they be no created Knights."-Titles of Honour, p. 436.
Knights being Equites aurati (and called so from their gilt spurs, which they were wont to have put on at their creation), are also known and exprest by the name of milites facti."-P. 437.
"The Equestrian Order, in old Rome, consisted of such as were Equites; who anciently had their rank only from the Roman census equestris, and the censor's choice or allowance of them."-Ib.
"Knight (miles) and chivaler, are but the same with eques."-P. 761.
they may be kept at Windsor, or in some other royal archive. If so, a catalogue of them, with the names, dates, and mottoes in full, would be extremely curious and interesting; and certainly of no little value in many questions of history and pedigree.
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MAGIC MIRRORS (3rd S. iv. 155.)-The use of "divining," or "seeing" glasses, is quite common at the present day, and by persons of good education. In my own possession are four made of glass one is round, the others are egg-shaped. One of the latter was obtained from Hull, mounted on a mahogany stand, the narrow end upwards, NEW AND COMPLETE DICTIONARY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, by John and sold to me as having been "consecrated." The largest of the egg-shaped ones belonged to the wizard, Henry Harrison,, who lived at Leeds; and is the identical glass which Dove looked in before administering strychnine to his wife, and for which crime he was executed at York some few years ago. On one side is scratched, in reverse characters, the word "Nature." I have repeatedly seen these glasses for sale in glass and china shops. Now before me are two MS. rules for the consecration of the glasses before use. They commence with an invocation to the Deity, The publications of the Record Commissioners, and the Calendars issued and another to the angel of the day, to each of whom there are separate invocations.
LOCORUM, NOMINUM PROPRIORUM, GENTILITIUM, VOCUMQUE DIFFICILIO-
Wanted by Mr. J. Dykes Campbell, 50, Buccleuch Street, Glasgow.
Catalogues of Harleian and Cottonian MSS., and also Ayscough's.
by the Master of the Rolls.
Wanted by Mr. Challsteth, 1, Verulam Buildings, Gray's Inn.
After the incantation, &c., follows the "discharge for the spirit to depart."
These rules vary slightly in form, and may be seen in Barrett's Magus, book ii., published in 4to, 1801.
HILL'S (REV. JOHN) SERMONS. 8vo. London, 1794.
Wanted by Rev. B. H. Blacker, Rokeby, Blackrock, Dublin.
Wanted by Mr. James Wm. Cook, 72, Coleman Street, City.
Books wanted to borrow.
The writer, to whom official duties deny a regular attendance at the Museum when the Reading Room closes before six P.M., requires the undermentioned books; and would be greatly obliged to any gentleman possessing them who would kindly permit him to borrow them. Only one or two volumes would be required at a time. Great care would be taken of them; their return bonded, and (if required) a fair sum paid for the use of them:
Notices to Correspondents.
NOTES ON BOOKs in our next.
SENNOKE'S Query does not appear to have been received. If sent, it shall have immediate insertion.
I have little doubt they are taken from the Clavicula Salomonis filii David, a tract of fortyseven pages; of which I have an edition, published without year or place (but early in the seventeenth century), in Holland.
SERJEANTS' RINGS GIVEN TO THE SOVEREIGN (3rd S. iv. 83, 156.)-Every serjeant-at-law, on being sworn in, presents to certain official personages of importance rings of pure gold, with a motto upon them; not his family motto, but a motto which he adopts for the occasion. One of these rings, of very large dimensions, with the motto inscribed in enamel, is given by each serjeant to the Queen; and no doubt, from a very early period, these rings have been so given to the Sovereigns of this country. Now, I should like to know if they have been preserved. Possibly merly 4. sd.), is the strongest and most delicious imported. Agents in
Full benefit of reduced duty obtained by purchasing Horniman's Pure Tea; very choice at 3s. 4d. and 48. "High Standard" at 48. 4d. (for
town supply it
E. M. C. We have two letters for this Correspondent. Where shall we forward them?
C. W. B. The coin in question is worth about five pounds.
JOHN DALTON. There is an article on the Spanish editions of Don Quixote in the British Museum in 1860, in N. & Q." 2nd S. ix. 146. Bohn's Lowndes, pp. 401, 402, contains a list of the principal English translations.
ABUBA. Only one Part of the Landscape Illustrations of Moore's Irish Melodies appears to have been published.
S. A. T. The Ordination Service is omitted in the Book of Common Prayer printed by Baskerville for the Cambridge University in 1762.
A SUBSCRIBER. A notice of Edmond Howes, the editor of Stow's Chronicle, will be found in our 1st S. v. 199.
ERRATA. 3rd S. iv. p. 106, col. ii. line 14 from bottom, for "authentically" read" antithetically;" p. 143, col. i. line 21 from bottom, for "æris" read "aeris.".
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